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Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:22 am
by Dsanchez
I cannot get Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield to cast reliably no matter how high I set their priority above the other skills. Even if I am capped out on rage/mana they will be bypassed MOST of the time in order to do the other skills in the list.

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	<skills_knight>
		<!-- skill name="KNIGHT_CHARGE"		    	hotkey="MACRO" priority="110" pullonly="true" /> -->
		<skill name="KNIGHT_SHIELD_OF_ATONEMENT"   	hotkey="MACRO" priority="100" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_DISARMAMENT"   		hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" nobuffname="Disarmament" nobufftarget="target" nobuffcount="1" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_SLASH"   			hotkey="MACRO" priority="80" nobuffname="Bleed" nobufftarget="target" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_WHIRLWIND"			hotkey="MACRO" priority="70" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_WHIRLWIND_SHIELD"  		hotkey="MACRO" priority="60" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE"    		hotkey="MACRO" priority="50" nobuffname="Light Seal" nobufftarget="target" nobuffcount="1" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_PUNISHMENT"     		hotkey="MACRO" priority="40" reqbuffname="Light Seal" reqbufftarget="target" reqbuffcount="1" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_MANA_RETURN"   		hotkey="MACRO" priority="30" reqbuffname="Holy Seals" reqbufftarget="target" reqbuffcount="3" />

		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_SEAL"      		hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_ENHANCED_ARMOR"  	 	hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" />

		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_SHIELD" 	   	hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" hpper="50" inbattle="true" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_RESOLUTION"   		hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" hpper="50" inbattle="true" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_DEFENSIVE_FORMATION"     	hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" hpper="50" inbattle="true" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_SHIELD_OF_VALOR"   		hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" hpper="50" inbattle="true" />

		<skill name="WARRIOR_BERSERK"  			hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" inbattle="true" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_ENRAGED"  			hotkey="MACRO" priority="1" inbattle="true" />
	</skills_knight>
This is my current config, but I've also tried it with the two skills being the highest priority without any difference. Maybe it's got something to do with the GCD of skills. Any ideas how to get them to cast reliably?


Thanks

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:49 pm
by Dsanchez
so... I found these options for the GCD and edited them... ending up with a huge delay between attacks but it's still not casting Whirlwind or Whirlwind shield...

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		<option name="SKILL_GLOBALCOOLDOWN" 	value="3000" />
		<option name="SKILL_USE_PRIOR"		value="0" />

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:46 pm
by rock5
Am I understanding you correctly? Do you think that the skills are cast by priority? They aren't. They are cast in order based on the priority. So it goes through the whole list checking one skill after another, till it reaches the end then starts again. If you have a lot of skills it can be difficult to control the sequence. It's easier to use fewer attack stills.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:24 pm
by Dsanchez
So, it should try to cast both whirlwinds after applying slash to the target. It doesn't. What would be a way to make sure it's casting whirlwind? I've tried everything. It won't cast.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:10 pm
by Administrator
Doesn't whirlwind require you to select an area you want to cast it? I don't think we ever found a way to get it to target right.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:47 am
by Dsanchez
no, just a standard melee attack.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:32 am
by lisa
I haven't had issues with my knight not using ww shield, next time I take it for a spin I'll print the skills for you.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:16 am
by lisa
As promised

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Moving in | Suggested range: 50 | Distance: 94
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_WHIRLWIND_SHI=>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (1281683/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE  =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (1083059/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_HATRED_STRIKE=>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (1040103/1540233)
Use MACRO: WARRIOR_SLASH       =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (839117/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE  =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (766608/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_WHIRLWIND_SHI=>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (729085/1540233)
Use MACRO: WARRIOR_SLASH       =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (627130/1540233)
Moving in | Suggested range: 50 | Distance: 50
Use MACRO: WARRIOR_SLASH       =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (260589/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE  =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (258222/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_WHIRLWIND_SHI=>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (132140/1540233)
Use MACRO: KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE  =>   Okander "Mad Man" Mallen (51606/1540233)
my profile skills look like this

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	<skills_knight>
		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_STRIKE"    	hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_SHIELD"    	hotkey="MACRO" priority="80" inbattle="true" hpper="15" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_HOLY_SEAL"      	hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_ENHANCED_ARMOR"    	hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_PUNISHMENT"     	hotkey="MACRO" priority="60" />
		<!-- <skill name="KNIGHT_MANA_RETURN"     	hotkey="MACRO" priority="80" /> -->
		<skill name="KNIGHT_RESOLUTION"     	hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" inbattle="true" hpper="50"/>
		<skill name="KNIGHT_WHIRLWIND_SHIELD"   hotkey="MACRO" priority="100" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_SLASH"     		hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" />
		<skill name="WARRIOR_WHIRLWIND"     	hotkey="MACRO" priority="90" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_HATRED_STRIKE"   	hotkey="MACRO" priority="80" />
		<skill name="KNIGHT_THREATEN"   		hotkey="MACRO" priority="95" />
	</skills_knight>

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:42 pm
by Dsanchez
hi lisa, thank for the reply. if you switch whirlwind shield with whirlwind, in position and priority, does whirlwind cast as often as whirlwind shield does in your combat logs as you posted?

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:02 pm
by lisa
not likely as warr whirlwind requires rage and you start the fight with 0 rage, where as you start with max mana, usually. Also with using slash it tends to use up the rage as it accumilates, so majority of the time you wont get to the point you can use warr whirlwind.

I just have it in profile so that it is there for when I want to use an aoe WP instead and I can just disable slash and therefore it uses whirlwind.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:30 am
by Dsanchez
Right, I'm assuming that you're never capped on rage without whirlwind being on cd then? I'm sitting at 100% rage all the time without it being casted. I'll try removing some skills and see if it will work.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:27 am
by Dsanchez
nvm, got it to work. skills seems to be more dependent on where you put them in order and not the priority. thanks for the replies.

Re: Howto Whirlwind & Whirlwind Shield?

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:36 am
by rock5
When the skills are loaded they are sorted by priority so it doesn't matter what order you put them in.